Playing A Girl (The Council on Gender Sensitivity and Behavioral Awareness in World of Warcraft)

Playing A Girl

(The Council on Gender Sensitivity and Behavioral Awareness in World of Warcraft)

 

Angela Washko = Washclothes.

 

[Washclothes] HI!

[Baelqt] herro

[Washclothes] Can I ask you a quick question?

[Yukarri] me

[Washclothes] yes!

[Yukarri] what is it

[Washclothes] I am looking for player definitions of feminism. Do you have one you wouldn't mind sharing? It's for a research project

[Yukarri] sure give me a sec

[Washclothes] ok – personal definition though, not like wikipedia or whatever :)

[Yukarri] k

[Washclothes] THANKS!! hey Rikle!

[Yukarri] isnt it when somebody acts really girly

[Washclothes] I mean, it's up to you what it means – though that often means feminine I think

[Washclothes] I see you're playing a female character

[Yukarri] yep

[Washclothes] are you female?

[Yukarri] im a guy playing a girl

[Washclothes] do you always play female characters?

[Yukarri] yes

[Washclothes] why? I am curious about this

[Washclothes] more than half of the female avatars are played by men but women rarely cross over and play male avatars

[Yukarri] its because we are guys. wed rather look at girls than guys. all there is to it.

[Washclothes] so when you look at a character, you project a human woman onto it?

[Washclothes] or a panda with boobs?

[Yukarri] precisely

[Washclothes] ok human woman

[Yukarri] yeah

[Washclothes] why do you think women don't do that?

[Yukarri] because girls dont have a bigger sex drive then us

[Washclothes] sorry to bother you with all these questions, your answers are really helpful.

[Yukarri] or not like that its hard to explain. and its cool

[Washclothes] hrmmmm. how long have you been playing wow?

[Yukarri (whisper to Washclothes)] 6 years

[Washclothes] and are you sexually attracted to your avatar? i mean that's like the jump that can be made when saying you play a girl to look at ladies

[Yukarri (whisper to Washclothes)] can we please whisper cause nyzen is weird

[Washclothes (whisper to Yukarri)] oh ok! why is nyzen weird? :P

[Yukarri (whisper to Washclothes)] just trust me i know the guy

[Washclothes] hey all! we're talking about feminism, it'd be great to get your definition!

[Washclothes (whisper to Yukarri)] i will continue to whisper to you. my big question is: if men like to play female characters because they have a bigger sex drive and the woman is associated with sex drive...then are you sexually attracted to your avatars?

[Nyzen] what are we talking about

[Washclothes] feminism! would you mind telling me what you think about it?

[Nyzen] hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Washclothes] i notice that you are playing a female character....are you female?

[Nyzen] NO

[Washclotes] that's interesting- why do you play a female character?

[Yukarri (whisper to Washclothes)] its sorta mixed. no we are not. i do it cause i try to make a character look like my dream girl id guess

[Nyzen] because id rather look at a girls butt than a guys butt

[Yukarri (whisper to Washclothes)] i mean all my chars look the same

[Washclothes (whisper to Yukarri)] what does your dream girl look like?

[Washclothes] are you attracted to your avatar Nyzen?

[Nyzen] No

[Washclothes] so why does the butt matter so much?

[Nyzen (YELL Channel)] CUZ IM NOT GAY

[Nyzen] but no im not gay

[Washclothes] so to play a character of the same sex would be gay?

[Nyzen] no. to look at a mens butt is. to me

[Washclothes] so what do you like about your avatar's butt?

[Nyzen] i dont like it. its a game

[Washclothes] i mean with the cape over it, you cant even see a butt :P

[Yukarri (whisper to Washclothes)] idk really i just pick what looks visually appealing to me

[Nyzen] yeah you can

*Nyzen removes her pants.*

*Nyzen puts her pants on.*

[Washclothes] can you do that again?

[Nyzen] no

[Washclothes] haha ok

[Nyzen] i dont want to

[Washclothes] that's fair. do you play all female characters?

[Nyzen] yes

[Washclothes] is this your most attractive one?

[Nyzen] sorry i told you im not attracted to my toons

[Washclothes] doesn't matter what kind of butt just so long as it is female?

[Nyzen] yes

[Washclothes] ok

[Nyzen] what are you doing this for?

[Washclothes] what do you think about women playing this game? and why don’t women generally play male characters?

[Nyzen] i dont care if they do

[Washclothes] it's for a research project

[Yukarri (whisper to Washclothes)] i told you he was weird hes not giving you straight answers

[Washclothes] i am just curious

[Nyzen] i like them to play

[Washclothes (whisper to Yukarri)] ha, that's fine :). it's hard to get anyone to talk to me about this. so just talking is good

[Yukarri (whisper to Washclothes)] well im taking psych classes so i know what its like to do this kind of stuff so i try to help as much as i can

[Washclothes] but why do you think women don't play male characters the way that males play female characters

[Nyzen] same way that if a girl kisses a girl that dose not make them gay but if a male dose it is gay. So its okay for them to do it

[Washclothes] as a social rule?

[Nyzen] no

[Washclothes] moral rule?

[Nyzen] That's how you guys thinkg

[Washclothes] you mean that's how girls think?

[Nyzen] some

[Washclothes] i think it can go both ways :P

[Nyzen] i do to

[Washclothes] Hi Bloodcc

[Nyzen] but thats not how other people think

[Washclothes] so- if i say FEMINISM - what do you think of Nyzen?

[Nyzen] that thats how wemen act

[Washclothes] Hi Slashette! Can I ask you a question quick?!

[Washclothes] women act like feminists?

[Nyzen] no they act feminal

[Washclothes] feminal? feminine?

[Nyzen] yes

[Washclothes] then what is a feminist?

[Nyzen] afk

[Washclothes] Hey Taetra!

*Washclothes waves at Taetra.*

[Taetra] Huh?

[Washclothes] Can I ask you a question quick? For a research project?

[Taetra] .-. Shoot.

[Washclothes] i see you are playing a female character...are you female?

[Taetra] Actually, I am lol. I don't play male characters.

[Nyzen] back

[Washclothes] eeeee! yes! ok! awesome, you are the first female I've found today

[Taetra] Lol

[Nyzen] have fun

[Washclothes] why do you think many males play female toons...and almost no women play male toons?

[Washclothes] and why don't you want to play a male character?

[Taetra] Cuz it's more appeal to play a female toon (staring at a female instead of a male)

[Washclothes] What's more appealing about it?

[Taetra] *shrug* You'll have to ask them.

[Washclothes] haha, i have been.

[Taetra] I play female cuz I'm a female lol logic

[Washclothes] yeah. me too :P

[Taetra] x)

[Slashette] not me :)

[Washclothes] are you a feminist Taetra?

[Slashette] girl pandas just turn me on

[Washclothes] Slashette, for real?

[Slashette] for realz

[Taetra] a feminist?

[Washclothes] yes, a feminist

[Nyzen] how am i looking now

[Taetra] Females ftw?

[Washclothes] is that your definition of feminist?

[Taetra] Eh. Feminism is for attention whores. Men aren't equal to women and vice versa.

[Washclothes] ah how so? What's your definition of feminism? so you think that men and women are equal?

[Taetra] Nope. Not by a long shot.

[Taetra] We have qualities and skills that come to us naturally just like men.

[Washclothes] what are some qualities and skills that come naturally to women?

[Taetra] Care and nurturing of babies.

[Washclothes] so women are inherently better nurturers?

[Illidansbro (whisper to Washclothes)] do you actually wash cloths

[Washclothes (whisper to Illidansbro)] all the time bro

[Taetra] Some are better than others and some are just not supposed to be parents. Men can be better nurturers if need be

[Illidansbro (whisper to Washclothes)] dont say bro

[Washclothes (whisper to Illidansbro)] oh, it's the end of your name sry

[Illidansbro (whisper to Washclothes)] oh

[Washclothes] what are some other female qualities (natural qualities)

[Taetra] Keeping order in the family and house.

[Washclothes] What if they don't have a family or house? Is that something they should aspire to have?

[Taetra] Then the priorities and responsibilities shift. *shrug* Matter of opinion.

[Washclothes] what is a woman's priority if they don't have a family or house?

[Taetra] That is utterly dependent on the woman.

[Washclothes] what are some qualities that are natural for men?

[Taetra] Protection of weaker beings .-.

[Washclothes] weaker beings like what? physically weaker?

[Taetra] Physically, mentally, judgementally. Whatever he deems weak.

[Taetra] Men protect women, it comes naturally to them, they're supposed to be the protector.

[Washclothes] why would he be inclined to protect these "weaker beings"?

[Washclothes] protect women from what?

[Taetra] It's instincts. *shrug* Danger. Stress.

[Washclothes] why can't women handle a little stress and danger? :P

[Taetra] Pfft, women and men can handle more stress than they think.

[Washclothes] do you want to be protected?

[Taetra] Definitely, I like having someone watching my back.

[Washclothes] but as a protector, and not like a teammate or something?

[Washclothes] on grounds that they are stronger than you?

[Taetra] In my opinion, a protector can be anyone that wants to take away any harm towards you. Be it harming your career or physical being.

[Taetra] Not necessarily, stronger than me doesn't mean he has the intelligence or skillset to protect me.

[Washclothes] but the natural instinct?

[Taetra] In ancient times, men were the guardians and hunters of the villages while the women took care of the village itself. it is programmed into the men's code to protect women.

[Taetra] Unless the man just doesn't care. In which case, all bets are off.

[Washclothes] but maybe that code is also designed socially and changes from context to context? we aren't in ancient times anymore.

[Taetra] Of course not. But the instinct to survive and prosper is still evident. Very, very evident.

[Washclothes] in men though and not women?

[Taetra] Women can survive just as easily as men in the event of a life or death situation.

[Washclothes] What was your definition of feminism? i think i missed it earlier.

[Taetra] Feminism is the attention whore term of saying that women are better than men and deserve everything if not more than them, which is not true in certain terms.

[Washclothes] so i guess you don't self identify as a feminist

[Washclothes] wehre does your definition come from? experience?

[Taetra] Experience I suppose.

[Washclothes] what makes a feminist an attention whore?

[Taetra] Identifying with the female society instead of humans. Working against the males instead of with.

[Washclothes] so separating from men?

[Taetra] Mhm.

[Washclothes] well, as you pointed out - women are different, and are treated differently

[Taetra] We are treated how we allow ourselves to be treated.

[Washclothes] what do you mean?

[Taetra] I do not allow men to be sexist towards me, I give them no reason to do so.

[Washclothes] how can one control how they are treated in public space?

[Washclothes] how can one give a reason for men to be sexist toward them?

[Taetra] In public? That's easy.

[Taetra] Women of our generation dress in a way that invites men to use them as tools.

[Washclothes] so you think it's the way that women dress that makes them a target for sexism? and that excuses sexism?

[Taetra] Not specifically.

[Washclothes] hi Forsakinone....want to join us?

*Washclothes waves at Forsakinone.*

[Washclothes] so how do women dress that "invites men to use them as tools?"

[Washclothes] hi kenrah

[Kenrah] hello

[Washclothes] we're talking about feminism. any thoughts on the word?

[Kenrah] females rule!

[Washclothes] :P. are you female, kenrah?

[Kenrah] yes

[Tifftam] ok i missed all that lol

[Washclothes] omg there are three females over here. what are the odds

[Tifftam] lol

[Washclothes] what's your definition of feminism kenrah?

[Kenrah] females not being afraid to do things out of the "norm"

[Washclothes] can you give some examples?

[Washclothes] hey tifftam, are you female?

[Tifftam] lol yes

[Washclothes] 4!

[Washclothes] hey tifftam, what do you think feminism is?

*Kenrah waves good bye to you. Farewell!*

[Washclothes] oh! bye kenrah!

[Taetra] If you can bend over and your ass shows you're inviting men.

[Washclothes] but does wearing a short skirt invite rape? or just sexism and misogyny?

[Taetra] It invites anything and everything. My ride is going to be here soon.

[Washclothes] so wearing a short skirt invites rape?!

[Taetra] Possibly.